Comments on: Why Am I and OC/IC Believer? http://gracecatholic.net/archives/26 independent catholic ideas, identity & theology Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:41:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Alexis http://gracecatholic.net/archives/26/comment-page-1#comment-27 Alexis Wed, 10 Jan 2007 21:22:00 +0000 http://gracecatholic.net/2007/01/why-am-i-and-ocic-believer/#comment-27 I have edited the post - to correct my error.<br />Thanks again. I have edited the post – to correct my error.
Thanks again.

]]> By: Mother Laura http://gracecatholic.net/archives/26/comment-page-1#comment-26 Mother Laura Wed, 10 Jan 2007 19:57:00 +0000 http://gracecatholic.net/2007/01/why-am-i-and-ocic-believer/#comment-26 Yes, and Tolton experienced much criticism and persecution, which could well have contributed to his early death at about 43. Yes, and Tolton experienced much criticism and persecution, which could well have contributed to his early death at about 43.

]]> By: Alexis http://gracecatholic.net/archives/26/comment-page-1#comment-25 Alexis Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:14:00 +0000 http://gracecatholic.net/2007/01/why-am-i-and-ocic-believer/#comment-25 Thanks for that - I stand corrected on that one. <br /><br />I was only aware of the scandal Vilatte's consecration of Macguire (sp?) caused in the Episcopal church press at the time - no mention of Holly in these reports.<br /><br />I was not aware of Tolton at all. However, it is fair to point out that as was the case when the Roman church ordained ethnic minorities elsewhere at the time, he would have been subordinate to other, European/white clergy.<br /><br /> As a parallel aside - the Roman heirarchy in the US at the time was prejudiced against nearly all non-Irish clergy, thus a contributing factor to the emergence in 1917 of the PNC. Thanks for that – I stand corrected on that one.

I was only aware of the scandal Vilatte’s consecration of Macguire (sp?) caused in the Episcopal church press at the time – no mention of Holly in these reports.

I was not aware of Tolton at all. However, it is fair to point out that as was the case when the Roman church ordained ethnic minorities elsewhere at the time, he would have been subordinate to other, European/white clergy.

As a parallel aside – the Roman heirarchy in the US at the time was prejudiced against nearly all non-Irish clergy, thus a contributing factor to the emergence in 1917 of the PNC.

]]> By: Mother Laura http://gracecatholic.net/archives/26/comment-page-1#comment-24 Mother Laura Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:31:00 +0000 http://gracecatholic.net/2007/01/why-am-i-and-ocic-believer/#comment-24 Hey Alexis, great post today. Just a couple of scholarly quibbles: the first black American to become a Roman Catholic priest, former slave Augustine Tolton, was ordained in 1886. Sr.Caroline Hemesath's biography, From Slave to Priest, has recently been issued in a second edition by Ignatius Press. And James Theodore Holly was ordained an Episcopal priest in 1851, and was the first black bishop to attend a Lambeth conference in 1878 (though he was consecrated by an Evangelical Anglican group rather than the mainstream Episcopal church, and helped found the Anglican Episcopal Orthodox church in Haiti.<br />So the ISM can also claim him as part of our history).<br />--Laura Hey Alexis, great post today. Just a couple of scholarly quibbles: the first black American to become a Roman Catholic priest, former slave Augustine Tolton, was ordained in 1886. Sr.Caroline Hemesath’s biography, From Slave to Priest, has recently been issued in a second edition by Ignatius Press. And James Theodore Holly was ordained an Episcopal priest in 1851, and was the first black bishop to attend a Lambeth conference in 1878 (though he was consecrated by an Evangelical Anglican group rather than the mainstream Episcopal church, and helped found the Anglican Episcopal Orthodox church in Haiti.
So the ISM can also claim him as part of our history).
–Laura

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