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The Elephant In the Room III – It’s About Respect

My argument thus far has danced around this aspect – and it is I believe an aspect that cannot be easily ignored. First, I think it is useful to clarify a point – one which I believe that Chris Tessone, abeit indirectly, has raised in his comments, and that is the classic “us” vs. “them” mentality.

Given the way in which some of my posts might be interpreted – I can easily see how one might come to the conclusion that I’m merely railing on about how we are an embattled minority, suffering under the oppressive yoke of expectation from the big-tent churches, and that we ought to beat them back to the city gates. NO! Such an interpretation misses the mark entirely; and I beg you, please abandon this concept altogether, as it is one which is very harmful to the health and well being of all of us Indie folk. Again, I point the visitor to my post on 8 January where I argue that a community built upon little more than a reaction against another community, has no real substance behind it, and will ultimately fail – a “reactionary” community parallels the experience and response of a community whose central call to identity is “us” vs. “them”.

There is however, a point – often not heard amongst our folk – that really does need a bit of exploration. It can be a rather . . . subtle point . . .one which I will openly admit is more about attitude and approach than it is about a set of actions (so yes, Chris, this one is going to be rather vague) but in my own experience I have found that an open acknowledgment of it opens many doors, both within our own experience as indie folk, and with our experiences with Christians in other communities.

The point is this – “respect”

By not challenging our ordained ministers to not be half in and half out of our communities we are cultivating a lack of respect for not only our own community, but also the [insert your favourite Christian -ism].

While some of you are scurrying about to collect an armful of rocks and other projectiles, let me try to elucidate my meaning. . . .

Years ago, when I still lived in DC I was invited to attend a National Council of Churches meeting in Baltimore as part of an ecumenical group of progressive Christians who were pressuring the NCC to accept MCC as a participating denomonation. This was an ecumenical group, campaigning for a just cause, within an ecumenical setting.

Not long after moving to the UK the Anglican LGBT pressure group wanted us to participate in a campaign of the C of E for and LGBT issue – I refused. Not because I did not support their campaign, but because I am not an Anglican it would be dis-respectful of me, as an outsider, to attempt to campaign within or pressure that community.

When I visit another community I do not assume that I will receive communion. Rather I wait to be invited, and to have that community’s understanding of the Eucharist explained. This is not about distancing myself from my brothers and sisters in the faith, it is on the contrary – at least in my heart – a gesture of respect. Having done this for many years, I am continually surprised at the positive response I get from the pastor and the community – it has resulted in many opportunities to share and exchange at a deeper level.

Likewise, when I am celebrating, if a minister of another tradition is visiting our community, I will invite them to commune – but rather than me give them the elements, I invite them to commune themselves – a) respecting their office, and b) respecting the symbolism (however it might be mis-interpreted when they go home) of receiving the Eucharist at the hands of a bishop from another tradition. On this count – I have actually had a letter of gratitude and support from at least one bishop of another tradition – because what I did was communicated back to him.

We are all brothers and sisters in the faith – YES – absolutely. But we all organise ourselves differently, and within each of those (sometimes amorphous) blocs and groupings there is a perspective, an angle, a shared identity that must naturally be respected by the others; not to do so is dis-respectful, and all but guarantees that opportunities for building lasting relationships between communities are lost.

  • Chris T.

    Thanks for this clarification. I do agree that respecting the traditions of other groups is important, and that sometimes that involves not diving right into what we’d like to do.

    But again I’m going to have to be contrarian. This is a good reason to enter into serious discernment, but not a good enough reason to categorically deny ordination to people who feel a pull to both groups. If someone loves and understands both groups, and is willing to serve as an ISM minister without worry about how the other group will react to that service when/if they ever return, I still think both traditions can be respected.

    The Eucharist is a bit thorny, at least in the case of canonical Orthodoxy or Rome, since they (theoretically) close off their table. But there are a variety of ways I think communing at both tables can be done with some personal integrity. In fact, as I’ve posted before, that can be positive for all of us, since the Eucharist effects unity not only in the obvious, visual way but in a mystical way as well.

    I guess what I’m trying to get across is that I know some wonderful priests who, if a tectonic shift occurred in Rome might consider going back. They’re good priests for the ISM, they don’t shy away from doing things because they’re afraid what Rome might think, and they do love us and don’t see us as a defective alternative to Rome. But they love the Roman Church, too, and feel their call might be there if Rome would just accept that. I’m suspicious of any theory that says, no, in fact they’re not good enough priests that we should have ordained them. There are realities here that I don’t think can be accepted without stretching any general theory rejecting half-in/half-out folks totally out of shape with exceptions. Instead, it’s worth saying that such cases need to be carefully discerned.

  • Captainwow

    Respect. What a great concept. It needs to flow both ways with grace in any kind of dialogue!
    I also do not always take communion in a different church/community/denomination out of respect – maybe for different reasons… but I don’t always know the “rules” in different places. Or why they practice it or whatever. I’m not as articulte about such things as I’d like to be, but I think it’s respectful. I’ve never heard anyone else say anything but that I have a right to do that anywhere I want, which may be true but people who sometimes embrace their rights, wear them like a badge and stick them in everyone’s faces are sometimes not the best community members. Whatever it may be about.
    Respect is something desperately needed.
    Thanks for your visit to my blog and your comments. Say hello to your snubbing cat for me!!

  • Alexis

    Amen! Captainwow! Thanks for stopping by. Said cat is currently bullying me into not typing and paying attention to her so I think I’d better go now . . .OW! No claws! No CLAWS!

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